Questions about DC's relaunch

[Rollo Tomassi]

I think I've made it pretty clear that DC stopped publishing in August, so I don't know what this Justice League #1 that you keep referring to is.

[jjreason]

Ho Ho, the old passive aggressive! I love it! (But seriously, you're all fucking fired. Pack your shit & get the fuck out.)

[Rollo Tomassi]

YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!!!

[anarky]

Fuck you. No long-winded rants about how awesome the next volume of Fables is when it comes out for you.

[anarky]

In all seriousness, I read a preview of Action Comics #1.

It. Is. BAD.

They can slap a logo on this little shit. They can have him fly around a town called Metropolis. They can call him Clark Kent.

But he is NO Superman. This is almost like Batman in Superman's body, with Superman's powers. There's no longer any dividing line between the two.

Oddly, internet forums seem to be in favor of this. I know they're usually representative of the vocal minority, but I expected more argument. The consensus seemed to be that it was taking Superman back to his characterization from his earliest appearances. Someone pointed out that doing the same for Batman would make him a cold-blooded killer carrying a gun. The logic was lost on the folks, and several people said stuff like, "BUT WEER KNOT TALKIN ABOUT BAT MAN, U GOD DAM GAY!!!!!1111!!!!!!" (Of course, these are the people who think making Batman lighthearted and bringing Batwoman out of limbo are good things.)

Strangely, a lot of the titles seem to have sold out, including Hawk & Dove. I'm guessing this means that they only printed exactly as many copies as were ordered, so they could claim this. Because who in their right mind wants a book about obscure characters like H&D AND would actually be caught dead buying a Liefeld book in 2011?

[Rollo Tomassi]

Hey, I've been clamoring for a new Hawk&Dove series since the last ongoing got cancelled over 20 years ago.
But they poured babyshit all over my cornflakes by announcing Rob as the artist.
Then they announced the Cornflakes(aka the 52 new #1s) were actually balls of barbed wire dipped in anthrax. So my excitement waned.

[Diabolical]

This is almost like Batman in Superman's body, with Superman's powers. There's no longer any dividing line between the two.

They already did that back in 1993.
Speeding Bullets

[vynsane]

They already did that back in 1993.
Speeding Bullets

which was awesome.

[Diabolical]

They already did that back in 1993.
Speeding Bullets

which was awesome.

Yes, yes it was.

[anarky]

Yes, but, in the regular DCU, the dichotomy between Batman and Superman is what makes them a great team and so consistently interesting. Batman's "bad cop," Superman is "good cop." They're on the same side and couldn't be more different (unless Batman were willing to kill), and respect and admire one another.

Batman teaming up with a character who's essentially himself with Superman's powers isn't nearly as interesting.

[Rollo Tomassi]

Unless they decide to make Batman all altruistic and milquetoast in contrast.

[Diabolical]

Yes, but, in the regular DCU, the dichotomy between Batman and Superman is what makes them a great team and so consistently interesting. Batman's "bad cop," Superman is "good cop." They're on the same side and couldn't be more different (unless Batman were willing to kill), and respect and admire one another.

Batman teaming up with a character who's essentially himself with Superman's powers isn't nearly as interesting.

But being the constant boy scout is what makes Superman and boring as fuck.

I think both Batman and Superman should be a little darker. Batman should be a little more Frank Miller and really put a hurtin' on some crooks by breaking a few bones every now and then, while Superman doesn't always need to be humanity's moral compass.

That being said, the previews for Justice League and Action Comics were pretty stupid, but I think its just poor writing, especially by the schmuck who did All-Star Superman (or ASS, as I like to call it).

[anarky]

The creators in the post-Byrne era had no issue making the "boy scout" version of Superman interesting.

[Diabolical]

Admittedly. I haven't read much Superman, but everything I have read has been pretty dull.

[jjreason]

So I went to pick up my books today expecting 3 DC #1's.... none got saved for me so I bought none (obviously). The Justice League & Action were sold out, I could have gotten Detective but it was an all or nothing for these I guess. I'm about ready to stop buying from my store, the guy has missed too many things. This one really pissed me off.