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anarky wrote:The comic's definitely a reboot that they're not acknowledging as a reboot. It's tough to read because, if you read SW comics, you can't help but wonder how the hell it can fit in when it outright contradicts so much that's come before.

Also, it would be absolutely incredible if Rebels could somehow make the Force Unleashed continuity completely jive with the previous continuity, while putting a new spin on things. (Rahm Kota is especially troublesome.)

On a related note, there's been some controversy lately since SW comic writer Brian Wood is apparently a big ol' creep. Look it up if you will, but basically he has a habit of hitting on women who go to him for comic career advice despite having a wife and kid. So it's not like he stuffs cotton candy down his pants and makes old ladies fish it out with their dentures or anything, but he's still a douche.

What was wrong with Rahm Kota? I don't recall. I'd say the bigger TFU issue was that Kota kept saying that they couldn't clone Jedi the entire game, and then the final battle is, uh, you against a bunch of clone Jedi.

Someone refresh my memory. I was just flipping though the channels and turned on Attack of the Clones. It was the scene where Dooku was talking to Obi-Wan about Darth Sidious being in control of the Senate. Was ever explained exactly who's side Dooku was on? Was he really working for Sidious or was he just playing along so he could take him down?

I've always thought that bit was clunky and unclear (just like the whatever the Trade Federation was protesting in Episode I or the whole Sifo-Dyas thing*), but I read that as Dooku trying to backstab Sidious, similar to Vader's "join me" pitch to Luke on Bespin.







*Sounds like a potential article.

Ok. A little later in the film, Dooku fights Anakin and Obi-wan and tries to kill them. Then, Yoda comes in and says that Dooku has gone to the dark side. That made me think that maybe Dooku was just trying to get something out of Obi-wan.

I still can't decide if I hate Hayden Christensen or just his character.

I forgot how bad the droid factory scene was, both the C-3PO part and the Anakin/Padme part.

In the middle of those scenes, when Jango Fett and Dooku are standing on the platform in the arena, my wife points out that the sculpting on the sides of the platform look like vaginas. Pause this video around 2:45 to see what I mean.



I didn't watch the very end of AOTC, but ended up catching the beginning of Revenge of the Sith. Probably a stupid question, but why didn't Obi-Wan just force push those little droids that were carving up his spaceship and droid?

1. It's simple - you hate Hayden Christensen AND his character.

2. The droid factory is overwhelmingly, horribly stupid (as is Yoda's "frog on a hotplate" fighting style at the end of AOTC).

3. I don't know if the force push would have worked through the fighter fusilage/cockpit. Is there a precedent for force pushing things through other solid things?

4. I have a whole new appreciation for your wife.

1. You may be right on that one. I still haven't seen any of his other movies, so I'm hesitant to judge him based on 2 shitty prequels.

2. Yoda's fight was bad. You know what was worse? Any of the dialogue Yoda or Sam Jackson had with the clones. Actually, that whole battle scene. Oh, and of course the dialogue between Anakin and Padme.

3. Now that you mention it, they never use the force from beyond any sort of barrier, like a window. But, Jedi seem to be able to sense "disturbances" on other planets. What a hokie religion.

4. We started dating almost 20 years ago and that one surprised me. Just recently she's been pointing out things that look phallic, so I suppose that is the next step.

I really didn't intend on coming here to bitch about how crap-tacular AOTC was. I just happened. It has been a very long time since I have seen that much of the movie. Part of me was hoping that maybe I could appreciate the movie more after time.

It's really tough to watch AOTC and not bitch about it.

AOTC holds the title for "Movie Most Likely to Break Down Upon Further Viewing" as far as I'm concerned. At first watch only the romantic lines made me barf - I put up with more. After that I stopped making excuses for it & just let it be shitty.

Ran wrote:Someone refresh my memory. I was just flipping though the channels and turned on Attack of the Clones. It was the scene where Dooku was talking to Obi-Wan about Darth Sidious being in control of the Senate. Was ever explained exactly who's side Dooku was on? Was he really working for Sidious or was he just playing along so he could take him down?

I thought it was to confuse Obi-Wan by deliberately telling him the truth, but Dooku's intentions aren't exactly clear. But yeah, it also seems like an echo of Vader trying to get Luke to join him - the apprentice wanting to take another apprentice and take down the master. In TCW, Sidious orders Dooku to kill Ventress since he's worried she's getting too strong and becoming a threat, but then Dooku turns right around and starts training Savage, so he's definitely not completely subservient to Sidious. It seems that Dooku really was disillusioned with the Republic and the Jedi, but went too far in joining Sidious. It's possible that he wanted Obi-Wan to join him due to their connection to Qui-Gon, but decided to kill him instead when Obi-Wan declined.

Diabolical wrote:I've always thought that bit was clunky and unclear (just like the whatever the Trade Federation was protesting in Episode I or the whole Sifo-Dyas thing*), but I read that as Dooku trying to backstab Sidious, similar to Vader's "join me" pitch to Luke on Bespin.

"The taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems is in dispute." Basically the Trade Federation didn't get their way in trade negotiations and decided to starve out the Naboo until they acquiesced. The novel Darth Plagueis explained the background politics in thorough detail better than anything I've ever read, but I've never had a problem with the movie glossing over the backstory since I feel it still gives enough information to go on - I mean, clarity is always good in storytelling, but do people really think they wanted more political backstory?

On the Sifo-Dyas point, I'm very glad that TCW is dealing with it in the upcoming bonus episodes. They should've probably just said that the clones were ordered by the Jedi Council, or even by Qui-Gon, or something, since introducing an unseen character whose name is suspiciously similar to Sidious but is still recognized by Obi-Wan is a confusing choice. "Palpatine is behind everything" is still an explanation given in the films and I think is enough to cover the broad strokes, whether or not it's as thorough as we'd like. In the original script, the given name was Sido-Dyas, so the fact that it was Sidious and not some dude we've never heard of before was more obvious.

Ran wrote:I forgot how bad the droid factory scene was, both the C-3PO part and the Anakin/Padme part.

In the middle of those scenes, when Jango Fett and Dooku are standing on the platform in the arena, my wife points out that the sculpting on the sides of the platform look like vaginas. Pause this video around 2:45 to see what I mean.

I didn't watch the very end of AOTC, but ended up catching the beginning of Revenge of the Sith. Probably a stupid question, but why didn't Obi-Wan just force push those little droids that were carving up his spaceship and droid?

I still wish that they'd release the IMAX cut of AOTC someday - it flowed better and the more awkward moments were cut out, including some of the droid factory business. I think of all the films, AOTC is the most flawed, and my least favorite. It's clear that the script was rewritten in such a way that it made some things make less sense - for god's sake, the name of the movie doesn't even make that much sense, since the clones were originally supposed to turn against (attack!) the Jedi in this film.

Back to TCW - in the final arc of Season Five, there's a buzz droid sequence where they attack Anakin and Ahsoka. Anakin holds off a few of them by putting his hand up to the glass and Force pushing them off, but eventually they overtake his ship's systems and the electric shock causes him to pass out. I thought that was a more menacing use of the droids.

Senor JabbaJohnL wrote:I still wish that they'd release the IMAX cut of AOTC someday - it flowed better

IMAX version, with Senate scenes restored (including some of the cut bits), and replacing the end with the original, non-digital version (where Padmé doesn't take Anakin's hand). That would be the best possible version of AOTC.

anarky wrote:

Senor JabbaJohnL wrote:I still wish that they'd release the IMAX cut of AOTC someday - it flowed better

IMAX version, with Senate scenes restored (including some of the cut bits), and replacing the end with the original, non-digital version (where Padmé doesn't take Anakin's hand). That would be the best possible version of AOTC.

So Padme left Anakin's severed hand on Geonosis?

Spike is playing Return of the Jedi right now. Been a while since I've seen this one also. The end of Revenge of the Sith really doesn't match Luke & Leia's conversation on Endor.

It doesn't match 25 years of info from the top that C-3PO was hundreds of years old (which was sorta forced into the TPM origin by saying Anakin rebuilt a protocol droid) and had never had a memory wipe.

Personally, I thought it was fun to find moments in the OT that indicated a sort of block that prevented either droid from mentioning their past. There are surprisingly quite a few of them (like C-3PO being pessimistic and wary as hell of everyone but encouraging Artoo to fully trust a guy based only on his name "Skywalker," and his bizarre "I'm going to loudly interrupt you and tell you that I'm shutting down the very moment you start talking about Luke's father").

Alas, it seems I was a bit more creative than Lucas there.

Marvel's getting the license in 2015.

Bye-bye, Star Wars comics.

There's a lot of fanboy bitching about this, but I base my comment on Marvel's undeniable track record of handling franchises owned by Disney, transferred to Marvel.

To put it another way, have you read any good Muppets comics lately? (Or any at all, for that matter.)

SW is a much fatter, juicier cash cow than the Muppets. No chance they won't produce at least something - and by something, I mean something shitty.

I thought they announced this ages ago - or something to the effect of Dark Horse won't be getting the license renewed because the Lucasfilm purchase meant they'd be under the same roof as Marvel.