DCU : The Original Universe

Ronagonz · Post by **Ronagonz** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 12:55 am

mrsparkle

Can someone tell me how Tommy Elliott died? I missed that issue...

anarky · Post by **anarky** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:41 am

Tommy was killed by the Joker after Joker and Harley attacked an opera house. Maybe. I've not got the finale of Hush, so I'm not 100% sure if he exists or not.

I'm 99.999999% sure Monarch killed Dove, thereby turning Hawk into Monarch.

Which members of Young Justice (the early issues of which I'd HIGHLY recommend, EP) still live? By my count, there were:

Robin. I know Timmy's still around (though not falling in wells).

Superboy: Clone, but not of Clark Kent.

Impulse: Barry Allen's grandson (???) from the future, who was raised in VR before ending up in the present. I really liked him. Funny character.

Wonder Girl: Waaaaaaay more interesting than Donna Troy. (Sorry.)

Arrowette: The daughter of some Golden Age sidekick, and cooler than Speedy.

Red Tornado: The android mentor of the team.

Secret: A ghost who had no idea who she'd been, who killed her, or why she was subjected to experiments. She could kick Raven's ass.

That was the original lineup. (I'm afraid the fact that I hated the original Titans, minus Nightwing and Cyborg, may have shone through in my comments.)

Eternal Padawan · Post by **Eternal Padawan** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:09 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Ronagonz
 mrsparkle

Can someone tell me how Tommy Elliott died? I missed that issue...
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Who said he was dead?[:P][crazed] I'd give away some plot points but awwwwww fuck it...

HUSH SPOILERS: YOU WERE WARNED!!!!!

Harvey Dent shot Clayface posing as Tommy Elliot with Commisioner Gordon's gun in the alley where Bats beat the ever loving shit out of Joker. (the fact that he was clay must've been overlooked in the autopsy report that batman perused the next issue...)
The REAL Tommy Elliot (wrapped in Hush bandages) was shot by Harvey Dent in the finale as he was about to fuck up Batman's world and he fell off a bridge into the river, but since the body was never found, he MUST be alive ( it's a comic book rule, no body no death...)

anarky · Post by **anarky** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:18 pm

That is the most fucking retarded finale ever. I think I'll drop the book after all. Jeeeeesus friggin' Christ! What a load of horse hockey.

Eternal Padawan · Post by **Eternal Padawan** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:27 pm

What? You don't dig Changeling? The complete and total Pussy Hound of the entire DC Universe? his overt hetero sexuality is a breath of fresh air in all of this, "we need to be more diverse, let's make a bunch of our heroes gay to be hip and politically forward thinking..."

jjreason · Post by **jjreason** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:47 pm

On to Azzarello then. All that lead up to that? Kind of like losing your boner mid stroke. Not that THAT ever happened to me though. No way.

Eternal Padawan · Post by **Eternal Padawan** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:39 pm

You read it huh? They couldn't even keep the Catwoman thing going? That kinda ticked me off. After all that, the only thing that really changed was two of Batman's rogues gallery knows his secret. Riddler and Catwoman. And I guess Two-Face is gone. But for good? Probably not. Although him getting RE-doused with acid would be beyond lame. They don't even explain what clues Nygma followed to make the Bruce/Bat connection. There's a story there. Let's have it.

anarky · Post by **anarky** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 12:20 pm

Okay, I finally read it. Sorta disappointing, then a definite "Holy Shit!!" moment a la Xorn's unmasking. The Riddler? The friggin' Riddler? I actually kinda liked it at first, but in retrospect, it's kinda bad storytelling. Set up a mystery that centers on one necessary fact (in this case, Bats' secret ID), then throw something out of left field that no one ever could've ever figured out (like Riddler using his "Lazarus Pit clarity" to figure out Bats' ID) as the solution. We don't need that in a comic about the world's greatest detective. There's already a TV show like that called CSI.

That said, Loeb and Lee finally succeeded where others have failed. The Riddler is now (at least somewhat) a credible villain. (I mean, they filled him full of bullets so we wouldn't be involved in Knightfall. How's that for a vote of confidence?)

Harvey's had plastic surgery on at least two other occasions and always turns into Two-Face again. Check out the annual from about 10 years ago. He uses his fingernails to rip half his face off!

I still wanna know how Clayface is back from the dead, or is this one of their weird "continuity farts" where they retroactively invalidate backstory?

RIP Harold Allnut. We'll miss you.

Eternal Padawan · Post by **Eternal Padawan** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:36 pm

What kind of name is Allnut? Poor Harold. You went through life as a mute hunchback, and the minute you get the chance to mack on the ladies with a semi-handsome visage, it gets ruined by a bullet hole. Then as a final disgrace, Bruce Wayne, the fucker detective, manages to track down the embarrasing last name you've spent years running from and slaps it on your tombstone.

Eternal Padawan · Post by **Eternal Padawan** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:41 pm

This whole Elliot/Riddler thing is more and more goofy the more you analyze it.

Elliot spent all this time and money and energy getting back at Bruce because he had to wait a few extra years for his inheritance? And for something Bruce's father did? Wouldn't Elliot just be happy that Thomas Wayne had been gunned down?

And why and how would he contact the Riddler? "Hey, I want revenge against Bruce Wayne, can you help me?" "Sure, just let me dig up his Batman connection..."

Eternal Padawan · Post by **Eternal Padawan** » Thu Oct 02, 2003 4:21 pm

So I dug up my New Titans issues 71-85 "Titans Hunt" What a friggin awesome storyline! I especially liked Gar and Dick's mullets. Stylin'!! I also got a kick out of Nightwing's open chest, big collar outfit from the 80's. What kind of queens were designing costumes back in the 80's?? HA!

So, some questions.

When did Team Titans end its run? And besides Young Justice and Titans, was there another Teen Titans book? I am thinking about looking for back issues of all these....

anarky · Post by **anarky** » Thu Oct 02, 2003 4:37 pm

Well, there was New Titans, but that was technically New Teen Titans after a name change.

Eternal Padawan · Post by **Eternal Padawan** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 7:06 pm

Teen Titans #4. Geoff Johns needs to go back and reread Jericho's Who's Who File. He can't speak through his "victims" unless they are unconscious. So Slade has been unconscious for what like months? And if he had possessed his father at the last minute, then his body would've dissappeared, not crumbled into dust. ugh. Way to negate one of the coolest Titans stories ever.

Superman/Batman #3. Cool cover. Last months was cool too. So Supes and Bats can single handedly ( or double handedly) take out EVERY villain in the DC Universe?

Eternal Padawan · Post by **Eternal Padawan** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 6:42 pm

Broken City begins. Was Batman...flirting with that Margo strumpet? That was kinda weird reading that dialogue "Oh, it's hard alright..." What the?!? The Batman making stiff cock innuendos? Bizarre.

Also picked up Avengers/JLA #2. Solid art. Solid story. Busiek and Perez are having a field day matching all these characters up. I love it when the JLA shows up in the Marvel Universe's Metropolis...a big field.

jjreason · Post by **jjreason** » Fri Oct 31, 2003 3:17 am

So that's going okay then? I passed due to cost, but might still spring for them. It's only four issues I guess????

I loved the Batman issue, the art was almost Tim Sale-like, which is perfect for that book in my eyes. Bats was all horned up, but can you blame him? Tell me you wouldn't have taken a crack at that had you been given half a bat-chance. Great rack.