50 Greatest TV Icons.

[Twiki]

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Again, let the controversy begin.  In fact, let me begin for you.  Where the fuck is Hasslehoff?



50. Larry Hagman
49. Calista Flockhart
48. Jimmy Smits
47. Simon Cowell
46. Lassie
45. Sarah Michelle Gellar
44. Susan Lucci
43. Flip Wilson
42. James Gandolfini
41. Jon Stewart
40. Sally Field
39. Jennifer Aniston
38. Bea Arthur
37. George Clooney
36. Diahann Carroll
35. Michael J. Fox
34. Bob Barker
33. Ellen DeGeneres
32. Henry Winkler
31. Sarah Jessica Parker
30. Alan Alda
29. John Ritter
28. Howard Cosell
27. Regis Philbin
26. Farrah Fawcett
25. Heather Locklear
24. Michael Landon
23. Barbara Walters
22. Milton Berle
21. Kermit
20. Carroll O'Connor
19. Andy Griffith
18. William Shatner
17. Bob Newhart
16. David Letterman
15. "Not Ready for Primetime Players"
14. Ed Sullivan
13. Jackie Gleason
12. Dick Van Dyke
11. Roseanne
10. Dick Clark
9. Homer Simpson
8. Jerry Seinfeld
7. Mary Tyler Moore
6. Carol Burnett
5. Walter Cronkite
4. Bill Cosby
3. Oprah Winfrey
2. Lucille Ball

and of course, the master...

1. Johnny Carson

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Oh hell no.  'Hoff didn't even make the back 50 list.  And where the fuck is Chuck Norris?!?


100. Marcia Cross			See the list of 1 - 50
99. Delta Burke	
98. Meredith Baxter		
97. In Living Color cast		
96. Shannen Doherty		
95. Richard Dawson		
94. Melissa Gilbert		
93. Neil Patrick Harris	 
92. Judge Judy	 
91. Dennis Franz	
90. John Stamos	 
89. Robert Guillaume	
88. Gavin MacLeod	
87. Phil Hartman	
86. Jerry Mathers	
85. Rod Serling	
84. Cartman from "South Park"
83. Isabel Sanford	
82. Ted Knight	
81. Dick Cavett	
80. Adam West	
79. Angela Landsbury	
78. Art Carney	
77. James Garner	
76. Candice Bergen	
75. Peter Falk	
74. Joan Rivers
73. Tony Danza
72. Cher	
71. Rosie O'Donnell
70. Bob Denver
69. Barbara Eden	 
68. Don Cornelius
67. Tom Selleck	 
66. Kelsey Grammer
65. Pamela Anderson	
64. Phil Donahue 
63. Ed Asner
62. Redd Foxx
61. Pee Wee Herman	
60. Merv Griffin
59. Ted Danson	 
58. Don Knotts
57. Charlie Brown
56. Betty White
55. Fred Rogers
54. Florence Henderson
53. Ed McMahon
52. Ron Howard
51. Bob Hope

[jjreason]

Why the fuck would groups get entries on this list? Everyone knows "Not yet ready for Prime Time Players" is a lot more Eddie Murphy than it is Norm McDonald. Who are they kidding?

[Twiki]

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And let me just say how sad it is that of all those people, Paul Reubens is the only one (61.) who is referred to by his on screen character.  As if Henry "Fonzie" Winkler, Bob "Gilligan" Denver, Larry "JR Ewing" Hagman and about 70 other people on the list are on there because of one character and not neccessarily because of the actor.  But only Reubens gets fucked out of his due respect. 

[anarky]

And, of the ones you just listed, Reubens is the only one who is actually a good actor.

Gilligan and whatshisface from Dobie Gillis are the same character. Only the manner of speech changes.

Larry Hagman has only been JR.

Winkler is the Fonz. Only as the lawyer in Arrested Development did he ever earn a paycheck after that.

Whereas Reubens has been in a multitude of great roles, and not just as Pee Wee. He was even on the only decent new show of the season last Wednesday. Maybe Rollo can tell us if he'll be on it this week.

[RoIIo Tomassi]

Why the fuck would groups get entries on this list? Everyone knows "Not yet ready for Prime Time Players" is a lot more Eddie Murphy than it is Norm McDonald. Who are they kidding?

Agreed. Although I think NRFPTP is usually reserved for the original cast members from the 70's and not the all encompassing cast of 35+ years on SNL as a whole.

And conversely, why does Homer Simpson or Cartman get singled out when it should just say "Simpsons" and "SouthPark" ( As an aside, if you have to refer to him as Cartman FROM SOUTHPARK, then he ain't really an icon now is he?)

And yes, Oscar Vibenius will return in the final episode of the shortened season. ( But not next episode).

[anarky]

Why didn't they do the minimum amount of research necessary to give his full name, which is pretty commonly known: ERIC Cartman?

Good to hear about Oscar. Sad to hear it's a short season. Fucking greedy-ass writers. I'm guessing it's likely from what we know so far that it'll be back next year, right?

[Ran]

Bob Hope and Bob Barker should both be much higher. People who are famous for a couple years on one show should be eliminated...like John Stamos, Sarah Jessica Parker, Roseanne, and Calista Flockhart. Who is Simon Cowell and why is he in the top 50?

[RoIIo Tomassi]

Well, they are back at the table. They had a big catered wrap lunch yesterday ( last day of shooting) and the Showrunner said he was hoping for the best and when they get the dispute figured out it will be about 5-6 weeks after that before the cameras are rolling again. So if they hammer it out by January, you might see a few more episodes in April and May. Otherwise it'll be back next season. ABC is really happy with the show.

I agree about Calista, SJP, and John Stamos ( WTF?!!?)
Roseanne should be on the list, but not 11.

Simon Cowell is the British dick on American Idol. I'd say he's about where he should be on the list.

[anarky]

Awesome to hear that, for once, I like a show that the network likes. Usually stuff I like is canned shortly after I discover it (like Deadwood and Arrested Development... god damn Milch and the Fox Network!).

[Ran]

Did SNL keep the "Not yet ready for Prime Time Players" after the original line up? When I hear that, I think Eddie Murphy, Bill Murray, Dan Akroyd, Gildna Radner, and John Belushi.

The guy from American Idol deserves to be higher than Don Knotts (among others)? No way. He should somewhere behind Big Bird, who is abscent for some reason. Tell me there is a person out there that can't identify that 7 foot canary.

Good to see Howard Cosell on the list.

I'm a little suprised Don Johnson didn't make it. I'm not saying he should be, but between Miami Vice and that other show he had...

[anarky]

Why is Clooney on there? He was a bit part in a shitty 80s sitcom. Hardly an icon.

Jon Stewart seems a little low to me, especially given the rankings for, say, fucking Roseanne. Bob Barker and Andy Griffith are also embarassingly low.

What about Fred Flintstone, the first prime-time animated hero? Or Monty Python? Or maybe this obscure local newscaster named Dan Rather? Or Jerry Lewis, who's been doing his telethon for something like 913 years now?

If Clooney's here, along with Cher (but not Sonny), shouldn't Johnny Cash be on here? Aside from appearing in a bazillion cameos and guest appearances, he did host a very successful variety show for over a decade. And said show did actually do wonders for the careers of guys like Neil Young.

Hell, Elvis or the Beatles. They may have been one-time dealios, but who doesn't know about their classic appearances on Ed Sullivan?

What about Bugs Bunny, who generations watched on Saturday morning TV? Scooby Doo? Superman? Spider-Man? Especially Batman, who's had seven successful series since the late 60s? (This is a case where the character seems to be more important than the actor, since Adam West hasn't done much but parody himself since that show.)

Did Michael Richards not make the cut because he shot off at the mouth a year or so ago? Or is there, as there seems to be, this weird cap on the number of characters/actors per show?

Man, these lists are never worth bitching about. But it's so much fun.

[Agent Mulder]

Or maybe this obscure local newscaster named Dan Rather?

The Dan Rather Newsbot you know and love was not reprogrammed like you were led to believe. He was kidnapped and replaced by the current Newsbot. It is all part of an elaborate conspiracy.

[anarky]

I'm talking about the real Rather, not the robotic lookalike.

You fucking douche. Why did you never bone Scully, anyway? It's not like you didn't have a chance; she took her top off for you in the very first episode. Pussy.

[Agent Mulder]

I'm the key figure in an ongoing government charade, the plot to conceal the truth about the existence of extraterrestrials. It's a global conspiracy, actually, with key players in the highest levels of power, that reaches down into the lives of every man, woman, and child on this planet, so, of course, no one believes me. I'm an annoyance to my superiors, a joke to my peers. They call me Spooky. Spooky Mulder, whose sister was abducted by aliens when he was just a kid and who now chases after little green men with a badge and a gun, shouting to the heavens or to anyone who will listen that the fix is in, that the sky is falling and when it hits it's gonna be the shit-storm of all time.